All my consolation had nothing to do with Hamas. As I put it in a post elsewhere: 99% of Jews were ethnically cleansed from countries governed by Muslims. Hamas wants to do the same in Israel.
Hamas is *not* all Arabs or Muslims. The Abraham Accords and even Ra'am showed that a more practical and ultimately positive reality can emerge. And it was deeply, deeply, threatening.
I didn't say that. i certainly didn't say that about Gaza. I did say that a massive fissure is happening (that hasn't happened in previous wars) and there is certainly a fissure happening on both sides. My point wasn't to apportion blame - even to both sides. It was point out that this split is happening. I've seen it in conversations with Jews, I've seen it on the streets on both sides (yes, more on the Arab side). My real concern is about unwinding it.
"Got along" might be a bit strong. Coexist might be closer. But co-exist has a broad range of reality and is different in different places.
Why riot? It depends on who is rioting. Young hoodlums? Perhaps motivated by Islamic preachers or Palestinian nationalistic fervor. Others might be focused on inequalities - whatever their cause. Recent Arab riots/assaults - prior to this explosion - were focused on Jews buying homes in Arab neighborhoods.
As with many violent protest movements, there are many fathers.
On the Jewish side? I see mostly a reaction to Arab violence - albeit an unacceptable reaction. As with any mob, things have a tendency to spiral out of control.
Perhaps the fuel was provided by coming out of lock down and having the Israeli world re-open. There's a lot of pent up energy and all that was needed was a few well placed sparks.
Also a stabbing in Mahane Yehuda, multiple rallies where "death to Arabs" was chanted and Jewish mobs in Tiberias and Haifa. Same amount? Probably not. But still a very troubling fracturing.
@[Danny Straus](user:5566) Note the Palestinian Authority is now shutting down elections. One might suspect they engineered the riots in Jerusalem in order to cancel the elections, which they knew they'd lose. So we are now at 15 years, and counting, since the last once-every-four-years elections.
We should definitely allow people to choose to take these risks if they want to. It isn't as if they can't be informed if they don't want to. For me that's the rule. The data has to be available, independent people have to be able to analyze and report on it. Then we should let people choose. Some will rely on some experts, some on others, some will go it alone - but we'll have more innovation and an opportunity for people in the early stages of highly unpredictable diseases to try new things.
In my opinion, dropping weapons and giving oppressed people a chance at self-determination is far better than starving them with sanctions that lead nowhere or launching invasions that rarely solve anything.
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All my consolation had nothing to do with Hamas. As I put it in a post elsewhere: 99% of Jews were ethnically cleansed from countries governed by Muslims. Hamas wants to do the same in Israel.
Hamas is *not* all Arabs or Muslims. The Abraham Accords and even Ra'am showed that a more practical and ultimately positive reality can emerge. And it was deeply, deeply, threatening.
Things You Can't See From There
I didn't say that. i certainly didn't say that about Gaza. I did say that a massive fissure is happening (that hasn't happened in previous wars) and there is certainly a fissure happening on both sides. My point wasn't to apportion blame - even to both sides. It was point out that this split is happening. I've seen it in conversations with Jews, I've seen it on the streets on both sides (yes, more on the Arab side). My real concern is about unwinding it.
Things You Can't See From There
"Got along" might be a bit strong. Coexist might be closer. But co-exist has a broad range of reality and is different in different places.
Why riot? It depends on who is rioting. Young hoodlums? Perhaps motivated by Islamic preachers or Palestinian nationalistic fervor. Others might be focused on inequalities - whatever their cause. Recent Arab riots/assaults - prior to this explosion - were focused on Jews buying homes in Arab neighborhoods.
As with many violent protest movements, there are many fathers.
On the Jewish side? I see mostly a reaction to Arab violence - albeit an unacceptable reaction. As with any mob, things have a tendency to spiral out of control.
Perhaps the fuel was provided by coming out of lock down and having the Israeli world re-open. There's a lot of pent up energy and all that was needed was a few well placed sparks.
Things You Can't See From There
Also a stabbing in Mahane Yehuda, multiple rallies where "death to Arabs" was chanted and Jewish mobs in Tiberias and Haifa. Same amount? Probably not. But still a very troubling fracturing.
Things You Can't See From There
FYI, "the City on the Heights" (the book I quoted from) can be found at www.josephcox.com
The Biggest Misstep Of 2021
@[Danny Straus](user:5566) Note the Palestinian Authority is now shutting down elections. One might suspect they engineered the riots in Jerusalem in order to cancel the elections, which they knew they'd lose. So we are now at 15 years, and counting, since the last once-every-four-years elections.
My First Public Speech In Quite A While :)
Thank you! I would think (if this weren't your thing) that it would be quite hard to follow much less find interesting :)
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We should definitely allow people to choose to take these risks if they want to. It isn't as if they can't be informed if they don't want to. For me that's the rule. The data has to be available, independent people have to be able to analyze and report on it. Then we should let people choose. Some will rely on some experts, some on others, some will go it alone - but we'll have more innovation and an opportunity for people in the early stages of highly unpredictable diseases to try new things.
The Biggest Misstep Of 2021
I wouldn't. Then again, the paper currencies in the West are being effectively pumped out in massive volumes. Does this raise trust issues too?
The Biggest Misstep Of 2021
In my opinion, dropping weapons and giving oppressed people a chance at self-determination is far better than starving them with sanctions that lead nowhere or launching invasions that rarely solve anything.