Heavy steroids reversed it. My hearing is a little damaged, but not much. Heavy steroids are the standard treatment. If it doesn't work, they move on to surgically introduced topical steroids. Once a few days have passed, though, nothing reverses it.
I am not arguing not to get vaccinated! I did it and despite the weird side effect it was definitely the lower risk path and probably lower risk even post-facto in *my case*. I say probably because I have no idea what corona would have done and I don't know if I have any permanent hearing loss yet (not knowing is better than knowing!). I'm just pointing out that we will all be learning a lot. Pretending there is no chance of side effects, even permanent ones, doesn't make people trust you. It is just this sort of scientific badgering that results in quite the opposite - because you overstep your case in one area people won't trust you in others.
We didn't trial these things for long. There can be risks not as yet understood. I'm not yet giving it to my children - although I might.
Generally speaking, this approach is not without merit. Why not roll out mRNA treatments for cancer *now* and let people decide if they want them just as we are doing with Covid. Your chance of dying or suffering serious long-term consequences from all sorts of early-stage cancers (or CF) exceeds that of COVID. They have developed mRNA 'vaccines' to help. Why go through years of animal studies etc... Let early-stage cancer patients (when they'd probably do the most good) *choose* to take these treatments if they want. They too can be guinea pigs. This model is not a bad one and we could save millions if we cut a year off of the research process. It might fail in some cases, but if we're willing to take the risk with COVID - why not with melanoma or CF?
One more note: I don't know the urgency to convince people to vaccinate. People in poor health can take most of these vaccines, so you aren't protecting the weak or elderly (unlike herd immunity with measles or yellow fever). It seems to me that the only people threatened by a lack of vaccination are those not vaccinated. They are only, in the main, making the choice for themselves and others who choose not to vaccinate. The only other option is very high rates to stop evolution of the virus, but we are a long way from there. The developing world will need widespread access to get there.
Finally, I get the edge case where they infect some of the 5% not protected by the vaccine and odds are better if everybody is vaccinated. But that advantage is far smaller and in my mind not a justifiable reason to push people down what is still an experimental path. This is emergency use authorization for a number of reasons. For example, to take one of the most complex areas: there were no pregnant women in the trials, few people have conceived children after vaccination, none of those children have been born etc... There's still a lot to learn and although the chances of a problem are quite low as we understand the biology and the data so far - biology can be surprising.
If things continue as they are, I'll definitely let my kids take it in a year :)
Bottom line:
1) If you have even moderate risk, I'd take it.
2) Once everybody who wants a shot can have a shot, I'd get rid of any restrictions on the non-vaccinated.
3) We should start allowing this path for other dangerous and uncertain situations.
I think India might have some ideas on that. A large number of studies outside the US are suggesting Ivermectin might be a very effective prophylactic and COVID limiter.
Lockdown or not, we currently have the 3rd highest known infection rate in the world over the last 7 days. And #2 is Andorra. At our current rate, >700/million are getting infected daily. It was 1,000/million a week or so ago.
This isn't quite apples to apples, of course. That is a daily rate of 0.001%. So, over 10 days the general population would see a 0.01% infection rate and I don't know how long the data set is for.
It is notable that of those who were infected none had a fever or were hospitalized. They had no symptoms. They were tested due to known exposure to others.
As per your recommendation, I'm signed up for my first shot Feb 10th.
Here is some data from Israel that is very promising: Fewer than 0.01% of people who received Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine have contracted the virus more than a week after receiving the second dose, the Maccabi health fund said on Monday.
The data from the trials certainly supports it. But Israel is having a tough time despite leading the world in vaccinations. There are too many factors (from new strains to a lack of isolation) to figure out what effect the vaccines are having.
Oh, his sanity was always in question. He was still effective in some critical ways.
Whatever was left of that has been erased since the election. My mother always said, you contest the rules of elections (and how disputes are adjudicated) between the elections, never after them. Elections have always been crooked, but you follow procedure for rectifying that and then you stop. If you continue to fight the outcome after that rectification process is done, as has been done in various degrees especially since 2000, then you crack the whole foundation.
Trump lost. Yes, in lost in actual votes, but he also lost in the pre-established processes. He didn't even lose like losing candidates have in Chicago - there were some edge issues, but it was a fundamentally square election.
Just like Gore and Abrams (and Hillary to a lessor degree), the refusal to admit loss (especially post-procedure) really damages things. Trump has taken that far further, with the excuse that "the other side did it first." He is also an incumbent and since 2000, none of them have lost in this way.
His logic of escalation leads to destruction and must be countered.
If the election were held again today, Trump would be crushed.
One person here with a penicillin allergy had a severe shock. Don't know how common it is. My wife is going in tomorrow. She has allergies to various tapes and one med. Hopefully, all will be fine.
Alexis Renault, you make an excellent point on unknown effects. My wife is getting scheduled for a vaccination (she is an audiologist) and I'll follow when the opportunity arises.
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It's Good To Be A Guinea Pig
Heavy steroids reversed it. My hearing is a little damaged, but not much. Heavy steroids are the standard treatment. If it doesn't work, they move on to surgically introduced topical steroids. Once a few days have passed, though, nothing reverses it.
It's Good To Be A Guinea Pig
I am not arguing not to get vaccinated! I did it and despite the weird side effect it was definitely the lower risk path and probably lower risk even post-facto in *my case*. I say probably because I have no idea what corona would have done and I don't know if I have any permanent hearing loss yet (not knowing is better than knowing!). I'm just pointing out that we will all be learning a lot. Pretending there is no chance of side effects, even permanent ones, doesn't make people trust you. It is just this sort of scientific badgering that results in quite the opposite - because you overstep your case in one area people won't trust you in others.
We didn't trial these things for long. There can be risks not as yet understood. I'm not yet giving it to my children - although I might.
Generally speaking, this approach is not without merit. Why not roll out mRNA treatments for cancer *now* and let people decide if they want them just as we are doing with Covid. Your chance of dying or suffering serious long-term consequences from all sorts of early-stage cancers (or CF) exceeds that of COVID. They have developed mRNA 'vaccines' to help. Why go through years of animal studies etc... Let early-stage cancer patients (when they'd probably do the most good) *choose* to take these treatments if they want. They too can be guinea pigs. This model is not a bad one and we could save millions if we cut a year off of the research process. It might fail in some cases, but if we're willing to take the risk with COVID - why not with melanoma or CF?
One more note: I don't know the urgency to convince people to vaccinate. People in poor health can take most of these vaccines, so you aren't protecting the weak or elderly (unlike herd immunity with measles or yellow fever). It seems to me that the only people threatened by a lack of vaccination are those not vaccinated. They are only, in the main, making the choice for themselves and others who choose not to vaccinate. The only other option is very high rates to stop evolution of the virus, but we are a long way from there. The developing world will need widespread access to get there.
Finally, I get the edge case where they infect some of the 5% not protected by the vaccine and odds are better if everybody is vaccinated. But that advantage is far smaller and in my mind not a justifiable reason to push people down what is still an experimental path. This is emergency use authorization for a number of reasons. For example, to take one of the most complex areas: there were no pregnant women in the trials, few people have conceived children after vaccination, none of those children have been born etc... There's still a lot to learn and although the chances of a problem are quite low as we understand the biology and the data so far - biology can be surprising.
If things continue as they are, I'll definitely let my kids take it in a year :)
Bottom line:
1) If you have even moderate risk, I'd take it.
2) Once everybody who wants a shot can have a shot, I'd get rid of any restrictions on the non-vaccinated.
3) We should start allowing this path for other dangerous and uncertain situations.
Vaccines And Their Impact
I think India might have some ideas on that. A large number of studies outside the US are suggesting Ivermectin might be a very effective prophylactic and COVID limiter.
trialsitenews.com/an-unlikely-nation-is-kicking-this-pandemic-guess-which-then-why/
Vaccines And Their Impact
Lockdown or not, we currently have the 3rd highest known infection rate in the world over the last 7 days. And #2 is Andorra. At our current rate, >700/million are getting infected daily. It was 1,000/million a week or so ago.
This isn't quite apples to apples, of course. That is a daily rate of 0.001%. So, over 10 days the general population would see a 0.01% infection rate and I don't know how long the data set is for.
It is notable that of those who were infected none had a fever or were hospitalized. They had no symptoms. They were tested due to known exposure to others.
As per your recommendation, I'm signed up for my first shot Feb 10th.
www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/Hk2URcnku
Vaccines And Their Impact
Here is some data from Israel that is very promising: Fewer than 0.01% of people who received Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine have contracted the virus more than a week after receiving the second dose, the Maccabi health fund said on Monday.
Vaccines And Their Impact
The data from the trials certainly supports it. But Israel is having a tough time despite leading the world in vaccinations. There are too many factors (from new strains to a lack of isolation) to figure out what effect the vaccines are having.
Roots Of Riots
Oh, his sanity was always in question. He was still effective in some critical ways.
Whatever was left of that has been erased since the election. My mother always said, you contest the rules of elections (and how disputes are adjudicated) between the elections, never after them. Elections have always been crooked, but you follow procedure for rectifying that and then you stop. If you continue to fight the outcome after that rectification process is done, as has been done in various degrees especially since 2000, then you crack the whole foundation.
Trump lost. Yes, in lost in actual votes, but he also lost in the pre-established processes. He didn't even lose like losing candidates have in Chicago - there were some edge issues, but it was a fundamentally square election.
Just like Gore and Abrams (and Hillary to a lessor degree), the refusal to admit loss (especially post-procedure) really damages things. Trump has taken that far further, with the excuse that "the other side did it first." He is also an incumbent and since 2000, none of them have lost in this way.
His logic of escalation leads to destruction and must be countered.
If the election were held again today, Trump would be crushed.
Vaccines And Their Impact
And the lead is growing.
Vaccines And Their Impact
One person here with a penicillin allergy had a severe shock. Don't know how common it is. My wife is going in tomorrow. She has allergies to various tapes and one med. Hopefully, all will be fine.
Vaccines And Their Impact
Alexis Renault, you make an excellent point on unknown effects. My wife is getting scheduled for a vaccination (she is an audiologist) and I'll follow when the opportunity arises.