You miss understood me Joe. Did you read the article? According to this article, 20% of people who get infected end up with some level of permanent damage to their bodies which impacts their quality of life.
Granted, it's too soon to know if none of these people will ever recover, but for some, it's been 6 months with no sign of improvement.
@[DRM](user:130312), you keep talking only about the deaths, but don't forget all those who recover, but never fully. According to this article, it's 20% of all infections. With millions getting #Covid19, that will be a strain on our health system for years to come, not to mention personally very difficult for those impacted:
While certainly an interesting case study, I think the hope is overblown. Immunity is not guaranteed as there have been many instances of re-infection including in this very article. Plus immunity is short-lived, with reports I've seen placing it at only 6 months.
I feel like we are constantly fed hopeful news about a vaccine right around the corner. Realistically speaking, vaccines typically take about 20 years to develop.
DRM, I also forgot to mention that the COVID-19 death rate is likely far higher than reported as well. In order to be counted in the official count, those who die must have tested positive for COVID-19. But while testing is ramping up, there are still areas where it is notoriously difficult to get tested.
In fact we now know that COVID-19 actually killed people before we even
knew the SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) was in the US. But we hadn't know they were infected at the time.
Ok, let's use logic. First of all, that flu season was the deadliest in decades. The 2018-2019 season, only 34,000 died. What you ask is a common question that misconstrues the situation. But even if we take your outlier number of 80,000 dead, think of this:
1. Over the course of an entire year, the worst flu outbreak killed 80,000 Americans. This was with NO social distancing. By comparison, with shutdowns, school closed, mask wearing and social distancing, already nearly as many Americans have officially died of COVID-19 (over 60,000)... and that was only in a few months. Imagine how many more would have died over the course of a year had there been no social distancing.
2. We know all about the flu. There is still so much we don't know about COVID-19. Yes most survive but in many, it causes permanent damage. There's now evidence it causes strokes in young people, etc. Who knows what other surprises it holds - that is why extra caution is needed.
3. COVID-19 is far more contagious than the flu. Additionally, when people have the flu, they can feel and end up home in bed (aka self isolating and not infecting others). With COVID-19 the majority of people have no symptoms. As a result, they are spreading it around infecting people. People tend to be socially responsible when they know they are infected. But it's human to act normal when you feel fine, even with the best of intentions.
Also, we have a vaccine for the flu. Most vaccines take around 20 years to develop. The fastest vaccine eve developed still took 4 years. We're a long way off.
I checked out your website DRM, but your logic is flawed. First of all, you are comparing a few months of COVID-19, to a full year of deaths from other causes such as cancer, heart attacks, and car accidents. If left unchecked, COVID-19 diseases could easily outpace many of these. Second, NONE of these other causes are contagious. If you have cancer, or get into a car crash, there's no risk of my having the same as a result.
I understand people's desire to compare COVID-19 to what we know. But COVID-19 is unlike anything we've ever experienced in our life times. I understand the desire to be free to go where you wish, and to work, and make a living. But none of that matters if you are dead.
The problem with those against vaccines, is that they base their arguments on information which has long been debunked. Vaccines are safe and they protect you from diseases which can be live changing or even deadly.
I understand that rights argument - we can not make it mandatory that people can't smoke - that is taking away people's rights. And if they want to damage themselves, that is their prerogative.
But when someone refuses a vaccine, they can fall sick to some of the worst diseases known to man. And they will be CONTAGIOUS. At that point they are endangering other people as well. And that risks overwhelming hospitals. And when our healthcare system is stretched too thin, it means people will die whom could have otherwise been saved. Many won't even due from that disease, but from unrelated problems such as heart attacks, because we'll lack the medical resources to save them.
They are comparing apples and oranges and using it to prove apples are better. For example, you cannot compare illness rates between countries when the countries do not have the same testing criteria, and the % of sick is based on the number of tests. You can’t compare absolute number of deaths between a country with 10M people and 300M.
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I believe he's referring to 20% of known cases of COVID-19.
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You miss understood me Joe. Did you read the article? According to this article, 20% of people who get infected end up with some level of permanent damage to their bodies which impacts their quality of life.
Granted, it's too soon to know if none of these people will ever recover, but for some, it's been 6 months with no sign of improvement.
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@[DRM](user:130312), you keep talking only about the deaths, but don't forget all those who recover, but never fully. According to this article, it's 20% of all infections. With millions getting #Covid19, that will be a strain on our health system for years to come, not to mention personally very difficult for those impacted:
edition.cnn.com/.../index.html
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While certainly an interesting case study, I think the hope is overblown. Immunity is not guaranteed as there have been many instances of re-infection including in this very article. Plus immunity is short-lived, with reports I've seen placing it at only 6 months.
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I feel like we are constantly fed hopeful news about a vaccine right around the corner. Realistically speaking, vaccines typically take about 20 years to develop.
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DRM, I also forgot to mention that the COVID-19 death rate is likely far higher than reported as well. In order to be counted in the official count, those who die must have tested positive for COVID-19. But while testing is ramping up, there are still areas where it is notoriously difficult to get tested.
In fact we now know that COVID-19 actually killed people before we even
knew the SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) was in the US. But we hadn't know they were infected at the time.
Stop The Corona Insanity - The Data
Ok, let's use logic. First of all, that flu season was the deadliest in decades. The 2018-2019 season, only 34,000 died. What you ask is a common question that misconstrues the situation. But even if we take your outlier number of 80,000 dead, think of this:
1. Over the course of an entire year, the worst flu outbreak killed 80,000 Americans. This was with NO social distancing. By comparison, with shutdowns, school closed, mask wearing and social distancing, already nearly as many Americans have officially died of COVID-19 (over 60,000)... and that was only in a few months. Imagine how many more would have died over the course of a year had there been no social distancing.
2. We know all about the flu. There is still so much we don't know about COVID-19. Yes most survive but in many, it causes permanent damage. There's now evidence it causes strokes in young people, etc. Who knows what other surprises it holds - that is why extra caution is needed.
3. COVID-19 is far more contagious than the flu. Additionally, when people have the flu, they can feel and end up home in bed (aka self isolating and not infecting others). With COVID-19 the majority of people have no symptoms. As a result, they are spreading it around infecting people. People tend to be socially responsible when they know they are infected. But it's human to act normal when you feel fine, even with the best of intentions.
Also, we have a vaccine for the flu. Most vaccines take around 20 years to develop. The fastest vaccine eve developed still took 4 years. We're a long way off.
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I checked out your website DRM, but your logic is flawed. First of all, you are comparing a few months of COVID-19, to a full year of deaths from other causes such as cancer, heart attacks, and car accidents. If left unchecked, COVID-19 diseases could easily outpace many of these. Second, NONE of these other causes are contagious. If you have cancer, or get into a car crash, there's no risk of my having the same as a result.
I understand people's desire to compare COVID-19 to what we know. But COVID-19 is unlike anything we've ever experienced in our life times. I understand the desire to be free to go where you wish, and to work, and make a living. But none of that matters if you are dead.
Stop The Corona Insanity - The Data
The problem with those against vaccines, is that they base their arguments on information which has long been debunked. Vaccines are safe and they protect you from diseases which can be live changing or even deadly.
I understand that rights argument - we can not make it mandatory that people can't smoke - that is taking away people's rights. And if they want to damage themselves, that is their prerogative.
But when someone refuses a vaccine, they can fall sick to some of the worst diseases known to man. And they will be CONTAGIOUS. At that point they are endangering other people as well. And that risks overwhelming hospitals. And when our healthcare system is stretched too thin, it means people will die whom could have otherwise been saved. Many won't even due from that disease, but from unrelated problems such as heart attacks, because we'll lack the medical resources to save them.
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They are comparing apples and oranges and using it to prove apples are better. For example, you cannot compare illness rates between countries when the countries do not have the same testing criteria, and the % of sick is based on the number of tests. You can’t compare absolute number of deaths between a country with 10M people and 300M.